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Sunday, December 03, 2006

Remembering Genocide by Famine in Ukraine

Check out the post on Global Voices about the use of famine as a genocide weapon by Russia. Last Saturday Ukrainians held a memorial vigil to commemorate the victims of this relatively unknown holocaust, unknown because the facts have been suppressed and denied by the Russian perpetrators. And Russians wonder why Ukrainians want no part of them!

2 comments:

La Russophobe said...

Russians didn't suffer the way Ukrainians did, and they did nothing to help Ukrainians while they were suffering. To the contrary, they hid the suffering from the eyes of the world.

Maybe Germans talk about "Russian myths" from Stalingrad and Leningrad. But the world would not be fooled, and it won't be fooled by "some morons" of the Russophile ilk who attempt to hide from their responsibility.

Russians murdered thousands of Polish officers in cold blood after World War II at Katyn. They destroyed Ukraine with famine. Instead of admitting their responsiblity like a civilized country, they try to deny it like barbarians. That is why Russia is rapidly becoming Zaire with Permafrost.

Igor said...

Certainly this is a rather delicate issue on both sides. However, I do have to agree with 17ur's comment here that this was a concerted effort aimed against the peasantry (in an effort to forcibly extract grain, which Stalin suspected the "kulaks" were hiding from the government), but not against any particular nationality. Though there was some communication between Stalin and Kosior that points to a political element of this (i.e. struggle against Ukrainian nationalists), but I am of the opinion that better let historians argue that one...

However:

I've read the draft of this bill, and it is very carefully worded to point out the culpability of the Soviet political, not national, elites. Thus, Ukrainians were AMONG one of the nations that were subjected to systematic destruction, and the Ukrainian government officially recognizes this to commemorate the memory of those who suffered. Where is the Russophobia in that? Have they asked for reparations or blamed Russia specifically? Thus, nothing prevents the Russian (or Kazakh) government to pass a similar bill, though I suspect since Russia is the official successor to the Soviet state, that would be a rather uncomfortable process.

Descendants of ancient Ukres trying to build their national identity on their incapability and humiliation.

Though harshly-worded, there is some truth in this. Nation-building necessarily involves the element of suffering of the titular nation against a foreign oppressor. Sometime these events are glorious victories. Thus, the Russians have the Nevskaya Bitva, getting the Poles and Lithuanians out of Moscow (as far as I understand, the basis for National Unity Day), or Stalingrad. But in other cases, valiant struggle with tragic results can serve such a purpose as well, such as Kosovo Polje for the Serbs, or even Hetman Mazepa's loss at Poltava for the Ukrainians (in fact, when I was in Western city of L'viv in Ukraine a few years back, I lived on the street named after him). Also see the Armenian genocide in Turkey and of course, the Holocaust. The issue here is that the threat of destruction serves a solidifying purpose for national projects.

--Igor.