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Friday, December 01, 2006

Look What They're Doing in Venezuela!


Above, you see a photograph (from Publius Pundit) of a street in Venezuela's capital city of Caracas, thronged with hundreds of thousands of people protesting the regime of dictator Hugo Chavez. Venezuela faces a challenge to democracy from Chavez that is very similar to what Russia faces from Putin (in fact, Putin and Chavez are pals just like Krushschev and Castro used to be), but here we see the difference between Venezuelans and Russians: The former are prepared to take risks for democracy and to build a better future for their children. It seems that the latter are not. Not only have we never seen such a scene in Russia, we cannot imagine there ever being one.

12 comments:

winsc2 said...

What a WONDERFUL sight!! Chavez is a cold and icy blast from the past - a nasty piece of work who has, to our shame, been courted by our not-so-closet red - Ken Livingstone, mayor of London and perennial supporter of all the world's revolutionary/murderous madmen.

The world does not need Chavez's type around nowadays. Nor Red Ken's for that matter.

This photo has really cheered me up. Thanks!

17 ugly raccoons said...

It seems that the latter are not. Not only have we never seen such a scene in Russia, we cannot imagine there ever being one.

October 1993. Yeltsin's coup. People going to Ostankino to get access to national TV. They were machine-gunned, try to imagine it, russophobic rat. By orders of 'democrat' Yeltsin. Next day building of Supreme Council was bombarded by tanks. West applauded. I think I'll never forget how CNN behaved then on air: it was 10 minutes between naming defenders of Supreme Council 'rebels' to naming them 'fascists'. So when another Westerner trying to advertise their 'free media'... well, it is off-topic here.

I reminded this just for help to Western readers: 'arguments' as aforequoted will be recognized by you Russian counterpart in some political discussion as sign of your sclerosis or plain cheating.

La Russophobe said...

WINNY: Indeed, quite glorious.

UGLY: You are a deluded, dishonest maniac. There is no coup d'etat going on in Venezuela now, only elections. I'm talking about Russians going into the streets en masse to support a candidate who opposes Putin in the next election. I'm talking about participation in a peaceful political process. I'm talking about valiant mass demonstrations for democracy. Your attempt to change the subject to a coup d'etat is just plain pathetic, and clear proof that such a thing will never happen in Russia.

Please provide proof of people being machine-gunned in Russia in October 1993. Otherwise, I'll dismiss you as an obnoxious liar.

When Yeltisin bombed the parliament, the vast majority of Russians sat at home like cowards, just as they did when there was a coup against Gorbachev and just as they have always done and from the looks of things always will continue to do until Russia is no more.

Penny said...

I wonder if that fatuous birdbrain Jimmy Carter will blow into Caracas on the 3rd to certify another rigged Chavez election?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15283

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB109452281788010900.html?mod=todays_us_page_one

Sadly, there is no shortage of amoral lefty politicians in the west that will carry water for the world's thugs.

nikolay / veryrussian.net said...

Raccoons and La, oddly, both of you piss me off.

17UR: Yeltsin was totally right to do what he did in 1993. The "parliament" was controlled by psychopaths who had decreed a few days earlier that anyone who "disobeyed their orders" (sic) could face execution. They were backed by Barkashov's street gangs; if those weren't fascists, then Mussolini was a neocon. It wasn't a question of who's right and whether Yeltsin or the Supreme Soviet were more legitimate; it was a question of whether Russia would continue to exist at all. Ironically, in the last hours of the siege, a distraught Rutskoy called on the U.S. to bomb the Kremlin. So please, I'm tired of the bullshit. I don't doubt the honesty of the ordinary people who joined the Supreme Soviet, but that was an extremely irresponsible thing to do. Surely it's a tragedy that there were people machine-gunned and hit by snipers firing on reflex — but think how many people haven't been killed because Rutskoy and Khasbulatov were defeated.

LR: My patience is ending. Where was the "vast majority" of American colonists during the Boston Tea Party? At home, while 150 (a hundred and fifty) men "cowardly" disguised as Indians were busy breaking crates. In August 1991 in Moscow, there were hundreds of thousands of people behind the barricades. Undisguised. Willing to risk their lives for a greater and happier Russia. And trust me, there will be hundreds of thousands behind the barricades in 2007 or 2008 if, suddenly, there's a pro-Western coup and a Khodorkovsky-like figure seizes power. He'll only last a few days.

nikolay / veryrussian.net said...

P.S. Ironically, there's been another mass protest today — hundreds of thousands of Hisbollah supporters calling on Lebanon's pro-American government to resign. What do you make of it?

La Russophobe said...

NIKOLAY:

Oh, have I exhausted your regal patience, my little insane egomaniacal lunatic? Gosh, I'm sorry. What are you going to do, send some radioactive poison my way, you crude little thug?

You see my dear idiot, AMERICA ISN'T RULED BY A KGB SPY AND DOESN'T HAVE A DECLINING POPULATION OR AN AVERAGE SALARY OF $300 PER MONTH. So, even if Americans were not actively protesting, they could afford this luxury, Russians can't.

But in fact, Americans particpated so fundamentally in their revolution that a governement was established that has lasted for more than two centuries. Russians sat on the sidelines like cowards and their governments drop like flies.

And in fact, Americans are far more active in protesting than Russians to this day, even though their society is far more successful so their need for protest is less. If you were even remotely literate, you'd know that any comparison between American opposition to the Vietnam war and Russian opposition to the wars in Afghanistan or Chechya instantly shows how lemming-like and cowardly Russians really are.

As for peaceful protests by Hezbollah, I'm delighted to see them if they are occurring (you don't link to any news about them, failing once again to contribute a shred of substantive value, as is your pathetic wont), they only go to further show that even terrorist organizations are more civically energetic than Russians. I've never said a single word to indicate that I disfavor such protests when directed at American, and you are pathetically disigenuous cretin to suggest otherwise.

La Russophobe said...

PS: It's the mark of a wretchedly minor intellect that you cannot defend Russians on their merits, but can only resort to attacks on other countries. That's the tactic of the failed Soviet "man" and the reason Russia finds itself in such woeful conditions today. In other words, with friends like you Russia needs no enemies.

penny said...

....a distraught Rutskoy called on the U.S. to bomb the Kremlin.

But, did they ever show up? If you are implying, in any way, that the US military was on the side lines then, you are a liar. Can you even provide a verifiable link to Rutskoy's phone call, as a fact?

The vast majority of American colonists were at home in their beds, as one would expect, during the Boston Tea Party. It's a pretty small harbor and cell phones were in zero supply. But, they were there in full force for the ensuing four years of the War of Independence because freedom is a process one remains engaged in and ever vigilant in defending.

Amusingly, with no independent tv stations in existence in Russia anymore thanks to Putin, an issue that has no one behind the "barricades" this time, the Russians are getting Putin or Son of Putin '08 again. He who controls the airwaves control the debate.

But, you knew that.

As far as the organized Syrian backed Hezbollah mob in the streets of Lebanon, it's an attempt to shut down the freely elected government. They may pull it. So, it should be a satisfying week for you.

17 ugly raccoons said...

Yeltsin was totally right to do what he did in 1993. The "parliament" was controlled by psychopaths who had decreed a few days earlier that anyone who "disobeyed their orders" (sic) could face execution.

Sorry, they decreed much earlier, long before the coup (after the OPUS), that any deed from President to destroy Parliament means automatic cease of President's powers. It was absolutely lawful. So this decree was lawful too - it was just simple repeating.

And 'psychopaths' is term which asking for proof or at least for explanation.

They were backed by Barkashov's street gangs; if those weren't fascists, then Mussolini was a neocon.

And what threat all two hundreds of barkashists posed? You know, at least these nazi guys saved some wounded and done it under fire when no on else dared to save these lives. I don't like RNE and never liked, but these guys were honorable if misguided.

It wasn't a question of who's right and whether Yeltsin or the Supreme Soviet were more legitimate; it was a question of whether Russia would continue to exist at all.

And you could prove that if Supreme Soviet won, Russia might have cease to exist? I couldn't, for example.

Ironically, in the last hours of the siege, a distraught Rutskoy called on the U.S. to bomb the Kremlin.

?! I not knew it and I did think about myself as a person quite informed on the matter. Source, please.

I don't doubt the honesty of the ordinary people who joined the Supreme Soviet, but that was an extremely irresponsible thing to do.

Why protection of lawful power is irresponsible?

Surely it's a tragedy that there were people machine-gunned and hit by snipers firing on reflex

Reflex? Well, I myself was in the intersection of New Arbat and Garden Ring at 4 Oct. 1993. Sniper shot on the crowd, some were wounded. SNIPER WAS CAUGHT, I SAW PERSONALLY HOW GUYS FROM SPECIAL FORCES ESCORTED HIM OUT OF BUILDING (and shot in the air to frighten off the crowd rushed to lynch him). As you could guess, there wasn't any court on this or similar case. Should I continue to conclusions? You'll not find word 'reflex' here.

Or perhaps I should remind you why 'Alpha' at last agreed to storm the building of Supreme Soviet? You know, some unindentified sniper killed one of Alpha guys...

but think how many people haven't been killed because Rutskoy and Khasbulatov were defeated.

Well, think how many people have been killed because Stalin defeated Hitler. LR will gladly tell you what tragedy it was.

17 ugly raccoons said...

There is no coup d'etat going on in Venezuela now, only elections

Yeah, right. And Chavez isn't elected democratically and no one tried to depose Chavez and this 'no one' never did it with sanction from US...

Please provide proof of people being machine-gunned in Russia in October 1993. Otherwise, I'll dismiss you as an obnoxious liar.

Go and use yandex with расстрел людей у Останкино (~7500 finds). If you can't read Russian and your freest media in the world not spoke about it, then of course, I am liar, you blind Yeltsin's butt-licking rat.

La Russophobe said...

NIKOLAY: By the way, why did you lie on your blog and say that Kavkaz Center was closed? Here it is, alive and well: http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/ Don't you ever get tired of lying?