tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post2183042242153912467..comments2023-10-06T10:10:06.982-04:00Comments on La Russophobe: Goble on Russian Barbarism in ChechnyaLa Russophobehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1274861224206914262008-02-17T01:32:00.000-05:002008-02-17T01:32:00.000-05:00Regarding the detainees at Guantanamo and Abu Ghra...Regarding the detainees at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib: If the Russians had caught anyone in Chechnya in circumstances similar to those in which the Americans caught these detainees, every one of them would have been "disappeared" - and being killed would probably be the nicest thing that happened to them from the day they were first led away. EVERY Russian knows this, and most nurture a not-so-secret pride at the brutality of their "special services". So for a Russian to have one damn thing to say about the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo is the utter height of chutzpah. <BR/><BR/>Put another way: How many Chechens have "disappeared" in Chechnya after being arrested by the Russian "special services"? Answer: tens of thousands. How many have "disappeared" after being arrested by U.S. forces in Iraq or Afghanistan? I would challenge you to find so much as a SINGLE CREDIBLE CASE. <BR/><BR/>An appropriate response for Russians when the topic of Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib comes up would be embarassed silence, or possibly politely excusing themselves from the room for lack of anything meaningful to say. But instead they bring it up themselves. A very Russian tochka zreniya indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-76471404846251559442008-02-14T10:40:00.000-05:002008-02-14T10:40:00.000-05:00How happy the victims of the massacre probably wer...How happy the victims of the massacre probably were to know that it were the "rebels" (why not "freedom fighters"?) who killed them and not the state! By the way, those "rebels" proclaimed themselves to be agents of the state - the <I>Checnen Republic of Ichkeria</I>.<BR/><BR/>As to <I>"applying that logic</I> (a state violating human rights cannot be a member of the G-8 and the UN Security council) <I>to the United States as well"</I> - thank you for reminding me of Guantanamo and Abu Graib! :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-46221753155915733182008-02-13T17:39:00.000-05:002008-02-13T17:39:00.000-05:00You seem to be quite deeply confused.(a) The ECHR ...You seem to be quite deeply confused.<BR/><BR/>(a) The ECHR is a forum directed at GOVERNMENT actors. The Chechens who killed were REBELS.<BR/><BR/>(b) The only reason the Chechens were killing is because Russians were oppressing them and refusing to give them their freedom.<BR/><BR/>(c) Last time we checked, Chechnya wasn't asking to be a member of the G-8 or WTO. Are you seriously suggesting that the standards for Chechen rebels are the same as for the government of Russia? Can you possibly be that intellectually dishonest? Do you really think that Russia is allowed to engage in human rights atrocities so long as others also do? Are you willing to apply that logic to the United States as well?<BR/><BR/>Instead of trying to make Russia more civilized, you make excuses to justify it being more barbaric. And then you are surprised when you find that Russia lags far behind the rest of the world in development and when its word is disregarded at the international table of diplomacy.<BR/><BR/>So sad. So pathetic. So Russian.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-53317606888181573812008-02-13T15:49:00.000-05:002008-02-13T15:49:00.000-05:00Where were the Strasbourg Court, Memorial and all ...Where were the Strasbourg Court, Memorial and all the other "human rights activists" when non-Chechens (Russians, Armenians, Jews, Lezghins, Ingushes, etc.) who lived in Chechnya were being slaughtered and driven out of the Republic in the early 1990s?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com