tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post114625062011779200..comments2023-10-06T10:10:06.982-04:00Comments on La Russophobe: Lukashenko Begins the Arrests of Political RivalsLa Russophobehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146563696523093912006-05-02T05:54:00.000-04:002006-05-02T05:54:00.000-04:00It makes perfect sense if they were both persecute...It makes perfect sense if they were both persecuted by the Kremlin, and you've set forth no evidence to the contrary (except of course for your brilliant, scholarly, "Go f* yourself" of course; really a nice synopsis of your position I think)La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146535958172607012006-05-01T22:12:00.000-04:002006-05-01T22:12:00.000-04:00Go f* yourself with your Okudzhava<A HREF="http://drapeaurouge.free.fr/Fischia_il_vento.html" REL="nofollow">Go f* yourself with your Okudzhava</A>InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146525403661388052006-05-01T19:16:00.000-04:002006-05-01T19:16:00.000-04:00Eckhmm... Look, comparing Gagarin with Khodorkovsk...Eckhmm... Look, comparing Gagarin with Khodorkovsky is like comparing Elvis or MLK with OJ - it just makes no sense whatsoever!InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146525251346648792006-05-01T19:14:00.000-04:002006-05-01T19:14:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146510505277268792006-05-01T15:08:00.000-04:002006-05-01T15:08:00.000-04:00Well, if he was famous among the Western power eli...Well, if he was famous among the Western power elite and rich enough to finance his own campaign, then he was at least as much of a threat to the Kremlin as Gagarin's pure celebrity ever was, which means it's at least equally plausible that the Kremlin would attack either one for political motives, and no conspiracy theory is needed.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146505339811118552006-05-01T13:42:00.000-04:002006-05-01T13:42:00.000-04:00The whole point of the theory I am discussing is t...<I>The whole point of the theory I am discussing is that a person could get into a position where he could threaten the Kremlin with a powerbase detached from the Kremlin's own hierarchy and then be taken out. Gagarin got into that position with the fame attached to his space flight, and Khodorkovsky got into that position through his oil fortune. Maybe Gagarin had better name recognition, but a challenge to the Kremlin takes money too, and Gagarin didn't have that independently.</I><BR/><BR/>The point is, one way or another, Gagarin was and still is a major Russian celeb. What is also critical, he is a positive celeb like Beatles with no major problems.<BR/><BR/>As for Khodorkovsky, inside Russia, that's pure negative scandal celeb like OJ, but much less popular.<BR/><BR/>Note that I am not discussing what is <B>behind</B> their public images!<BR/><BR/><I>What's more, you grossly underestimate Khodorkovsky's "celebrity" in Western business circles, where he was often spoken of as a future ruler. The Kremlin knew that.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't deny Khodorovsky's fame in the Western business circles. WSJ and others did quite lot to promote him. Everything as with Enron!InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146505075491983762006-05-01T13:37:00.000-04:002006-05-01T13:37:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146486617569974642006-05-01T08:30:00.000-04:002006-05-01T08:30:00.000-04:00INPLAINVIEW: What you say makes no sense at all. ...INPLAINVIEW: <BR/><BR/>What you say makes no sense at all. <BR/><BR/>I realize that Khodorkovsky was not a household name to the extent Gagarin was, but Gagarin wasn't a billionaire. The whole point of the theory I am discussing is that a person could get into a position where he could threaten the Kremlin with a powerbase detached from the Kremlin's own hierarchy and then be taken out. Gagarin got into that position with the fame attached to his space flight, and Khodorkovsky got into that position through his oil fortune. Maybe Gagarin had better name recognition, but a challenge to the Kremlin takes money too, and Gagarin didn't have that independently.<BR/><BR/>What's more, you grossly underestimate Khodorkovsky's "celebrity" in Western business circles, where he was often spoken of as a future ruler. The Kremlin knew that.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146452208285608772006-04-30T22:56:00.000-04:002006-04-30T22:56:00.000-04:00If the best that can be believed about him is true...<I>If the best that can be believed about him is true, he's one of the rare Russians in all of history who have tried to take power from the entrenched oligarchy and great personal risk. After, all, he IS in prison in Siberia now, and he knew that was possible when he took swings at Putin.</I><BR/><BR/><yawn> This is nothing like reasonable argumentation of any kind. All I am saying is that - like it or not - Khodorkovsky was never a celeb in Russia. He became one only in the West during Yukosgate - as simple as that. As for Putin - of course he is a Russian celeb - although this is completely different story.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146450369749809422006-04-30T22:26:00.000-04:002006-04-30T22:26:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146443275584479662006-04-30T20:27:00.000-04:002006-04-30T20:27:00.000-04:00INPLAINVIEW: Again, much too strong. There is mu...INPLAINVIEW: Again, much too strong. There is much more evidence of assasinations by the KGB than there is of UFO activity.<BR/><BR/>You're clearly wrong about Khodorkovsky. If the best that can be believed about him is true, he's one of the rare Russians in all of history who have tried to take power from the entrenched oligarchy and great personal risk. After, all, he IS in prison in Siberia now, and he knew that was possible when he took swings at Putin.<BR/><BR/>What's more, Putin was never really popular either. People laughed out loud when Yeltsin nominated him as his replacment, but he took power.<BR/><BR/>In fact, you can pretty much say that every person who's ever led Russia was "not really popular."La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146437090794907222006-04-30T18:44:00.000-04:002006-04-30T18:44:00.000-04:00The point is, assassination of Gagarin is a conspi...The point is, assassination of Gagarin is a conspiracy theory, it is like with alien abductions or something else than hijacked planes involved in 9-11. <BR/><BR/>As for Khodorkovsky, his role in Russia aside, love him or hate him, as a celeb, he does not qualify even for Martha Stewart or Michael Jackson status, not to mention Gagarin or MLK! <BR/><BR/>The point is, Khodorkovsky was never really popular in his own country. In fact, he was not popular anywhere before Yukosgate! So, this is a pure scandal celeb like OJ or Ken Lay. There is absolutely nothing but scandal hype behind this guy.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146426718360322482006-04-30T15:51:00.000-04:002006-04-30T15:51:00.000-04:00Absolutely no is a bit too strong, isn't it? I me...Absolutely no is a bit too strong, isn't it? I mean, after all, you weren't there. Wasn't it a problem that he was getting famous and therefore a possible threat? Didn't Stalin kill some people without any "logical" reason? Isn't there an interesting comparison to Khodorkovsky?La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146417239301953052006-04-30T13:13:00.000-04:002006-04-30T13:13:00.000-04:002006-04-30 Trouble with Serbia<A HREF="http://inplainview.monitor.us.tt/" REL="nofollow">2006-04-30 Trouble with Serbia</A>InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146414694463200862006-04-30T12:31:00.000-04:002006-04-30T12:31:00.000-04:00Would you say, as some do, that they are also simi...<I>Would you say, as some do, that they are also similar in being assasinated?</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely no. Assassination of Gagarin is a conspiracy theory, he never had problems with the authorities.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146412191136738612006-04-30T11:49:00.000-04:002006-04-30T11:49:00.000-04:00INPLAINVIEW: interesting comparison. Would you s...INPLAINVIEW: interesting comparison. Would you say, as some do, that they are also similar in being assasinated?La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146407111137319512006-04-30T10:25:00.000-04:002006-04-30T10:25:00.000-04:00La Russophobe: Seriously, I'd suggest you read a f...<I>La Russophobe: Seriously, I'd suggest you read a few volumes on MLK, you'd find it interesting. The rednecks accused him of everything</I><BR/><BR/>IMO, MLK is a rough American equivalent of Gagarin, so MLK day in the US is like April 12 in Russia. <BR/><BR/>-- Both Gagarin and MLK were really nice people who achieved quite a lot. Ridiculing them is completely inappropriate.<BR/><BR/>-- Both were subjected to heavy ideologization which completely obscured their images and actual historical contributions.<BR/><BR/>-- Both Gagarin's and MLK's cases are now in real danger. Russian space program is known to be in shambles. As for the US, open racism is replaced by huge and widening social inequality - Katrina showed this very clearly.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146399434304108702006-04-30T08:17:00.000-04:002006-04-30T08:17:00.000-04:00INPLAINVIEW: gee, is your "world" of geopolitics ...INPLAINVIEW: gee, is your "world" of geopolitics limited to Cuba, USA and Russia? That's a pity. Vaguely reminds me of Russians saying a meeting is "international" if it involves Moldova, Belarus and Russia.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I'd suggest you read a few volumes on MLK, you'd find it interesting. The rednecks accused him of everything from being a Soviet spy to a closet Jew infiltrator from Israel. And the FBI had a rather thick file on him too.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146371819967686852006-04-30T00:36:00.000-04:002006-04-30T00:36:00.000-04:00The racists in the South said Martin Luther King w...<I>The racists in the South said Martin Luther King was 100% geopolitical.</I><BR/><BR/>MLK was accused of working for Fidel Castro? Never heard about this.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146353697246231072006-04-29T19:34:00.000-04:002006-04-29T19:34:00.000-04:00The racists in the South said Martin Luther King w...The racists in the South said Martin Luther King was 100% geopolitical.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146344874741208012006-04-29T17:07:00.000-04:002006-04-29T17:07:00.000-04:00Oh, sorry, did "russophobe" confuse you? I'll try ...<I>Oh, sorry, did "russophobe" confuse you? I'll try to get some pictures next time to help you figure it out.</I><BR/><BR/>It is quite clear that "fight for democracy" in Belarus is 100% geopolitical. I can't imagine how pics can change this.InplainviewMonitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571021018954317232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146344564758573962006-04-29T17:02:00.000-04:002006-04-29T17:02:00.000-04:00It's nothing really, your comments are thoughtful ...It's nothing really, your comments are thoughtful and add value to the blog.<BR/><BR/>The really interesting thing will be if Putin does step down, to figure out whether he is behind the scenes pulling the strings.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it would be child's play for him to have the constitution changed or to fuse with Belarus and take over the new entity.<BR/><BR/>If nothing else, Russian politics is always a good soap opera.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146335725016480262006-04-29T14:35:00.000-04:002006-04-29T14:35:00.000-04:00triple post if you like! all the views you care to...triple post if you like! all the views you care to express are welcome here. :)La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146329107285125962006-04-29T12:45:00.000-04:002006-04-29T12:45:00.000-04:00Oh, sorry, did "russophobe" confuse you? I'll try...Oh, sorry, did "russophobe" confuse you? I'll try to get some pictures next time to help you figure it out.La Russophobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672264388217953086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25230932.post-1146325630344150172006-04-29T11:47:00.000-04:002006-04-29T11:47:00.000-04:00It is remarkable that good old La Russophobe rant...It is remarkable that good old La Russophobe rants on "Daddy" Lukashenko. Thanks for making it clear that attacks on him are not particularly Russia-friendly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com